Chronic indecision: new bike spec

Ok, so I have gone back and forwards over this 100 times and every time I come to a decision, I second guess it.

Long story short: new frame arriving in a fortnight. Need to decide on groupset and wheels.

For the same money, I can have Di2 (12sp) + Zipp 303s or Record mechanical (12sp) and Bora WTO (ex display but mint).

Some things to bear in mind:

  • I prefer the ergonomics of the Campag levers
  • I prefer the looks of the WTOs
  • the Di2 shifting, especially the front shifting, is unbelievable
  • I find electronic shifting a little better ‘under the gun’
  • the frame will take either groupset
  • the frame is steel
  • I don’t race on the road but do some fast group rides and semi-competitive sportives

So I’m putting this to the experts of the forum!

  • Di2+Zipp
  • Record + WTO

0 voters


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Not an expert here. But I think that if you are performance minded, you will easier adapt to (a less ideal) form than to (less ideal) function.

Points 1, w & 6 point definitively to Record, IMO.

I just got a Ui2 12 spd bike….by far the best electronic shifting I have used, but when I get back on my gravel bike w/ mechanical Ultegra, it reminds me that electronic is nice, but hardly a requirement. I still prefer the feel of mechanical.


@Henri_Desgrange Sorry, and not a jibe/dig, but w=2?

Hah….sorry, yes. Points 1, 2 and 6.

Sorry for the typo!

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Not sure where you live- but where I’m from (Montreal,Canada) Campy is pretty much non existant- so not easy to find parts, get repairs done etc. Plus Di2 is awesome- especially the new 12 speed stuff. I rode the shimano Di2 stuff for the last 4 years and never, never had any issues. It just works.
Right now I’m on SRAM red etap AXS, only because, when I got my newest bike, the shimano stuff wasn’t available. By the way it’s also awesome.

I’m 10 miles away from the UK Campag service center, so that’s a non-issue, and the shop who are building it up are specialists, but I totally get the ‘Di2 just works’ point.

I had AXS on a previous bike and had no end of FD problems. It’s a real shame as in concept it’s my favourite.

What kind of cable routing is on the steel frame? While I have no Campy experience, I’ve heard that 12-spd mechanical Campy shifters are a bit tricky to get working properly on frames with any acute bends. Also not sure if this is rim brake or disc brake, but I guess neither system would have a major advantage regardless of rim or disc, other than perhaps the Campy disc hoods being a bit bulkier. Campy for me though, just because I don’t like the idea of one component manufacturer owning what seems like 90% of the market, and I hate the loud sound of Shimano Di2 front derailleurs.


It’s got external routing (for mechanical) but will take Di2 wires. It’s disc.

I just took delivery of a steel frame with Record 12 and Bora WTO 33’s and it’s so nice. The Boras are awesome. I went with rim brakes, too and I have nothing bad to say about them 400 miles in. I needed the help of a good mechanic to dial in my shifting, but I think that’s normal for a mechanical groupset, especially considering I’m only good for minor bicycle maintenance.

The Record levers feel so good in the hands and I like the thumb lever.


I don’t think crowdfunding your bicycle components choice is a good idea but from purely ergonomic reason I would choose the campagnolo solution.

E-shifting or mechanical both work great when setup correctly and you aren’t racing. A gear that change a millisecond faster won’t change your life while the comfort of the lever will, especially on long rides. Also, how many times are you front shifting in a typical ride really? I know I only do it[1] a the bottom and top of the hills.

Everyone is talking about their fast group rides as if they were racing Flanders every week-end.

[1] well, I don’t anymore.


In that case I’d definitely go mechanical. I personally like the look of exposed cables on a steel frame with narrow tubing plus it’ll be a piece of cake to set up.

If it was a carbon, fully integrated machine then I’d be going for electronic due to the ball ache of routing the cables, the diminished shifting performance and the difficulty of maintenance.


When do we get to know the final result?


Personally I would go w/ultegra (maybe some other wheels?) but record + WTO on a steel frame is a lot cooler :wink:

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If you prefer the looks and ergonomics of Campy, go with that. Performance is going to be good in either case and comfort is massively important. Plus, at least if you’re anything like me, the one that looks better will make you happier assuming the performance and comfort are there. Can’t think what the advantage of di2 would be based on your description. Not enough batteries in your life?


I’ve had Campy before. When we had 10s shifters with G-springs, it was a pain to get them rebuilt because not every shop had done it. These days, the shifters don’t need to be rebuilt like that, though. I assume the OP has hydraulic brakes, and aren’t the bleed tools the same as Magura brakes? Bottom line, Campy is still rare (maybe even more rare than before), but in some sense it may not matter. If you can adjust a mechanical group, you should be able to adjust Campy 12s. The tools to pull the BB bearings out and replace them are probably a pain point, but you should only have to replace them rarely. Am I missing something?

How is purchasing a 50€ tool a “pain point”?

If you can afford a new Campy Record groupset, you can afford any tool needed to maintain it.


It took me some time to realize that there is only one correct answer here: N+1

You need 2 frames and thus 2 bikes. One with Shimano + ZIPP and one with Campy + WTO.

If over time one of both bikes proves to be used a lot more, you can sell the other. Which allows you to say that you then need to buy another bike to replace the sold one. And if you then have a dilemma regarding that new bike, you will need at least 2 to solve that dilemma…


If I could afford it, that would be the answer :rofl:

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So it looks like 70% Campag, then. That’s not the result I was expecting actually!

I think the fact my hands fit the shifters better is probably the key thing here.

I’ll post some pics when it’s built up (hopefully in the first week in July).