Folks need a new carbon rim brake bike. Wherever I look I find a sea of discs. The C64 looks interesting but I am not sure how it compares to the competition since it is now almost a 4 year old frame. I can’t find a recent review of the bike so wanted some feedback from current users who have ridden other contemporary bikes.
I can’t help with Colnago, but the Ridley Helium SL/SLX, the Giant TCR and Basso Diamante are all excellent, and all still available in rim. I believe that if you go frameset only, the Trek Emonda SLR is still available in rim. Factor O2 as well. And they’re not my bag, but I think you can still get a Pinarello with rim brakes.
Is there a particular reason you’re put off by modern technology and want a bike using 80’s tech instead? I mean, given that you’re set on 40 year-old braking technology, a 4 year-old frame is comparatively pretty modern.
How’s the Diamanté in your opinion? I am keen on an Italian bike this time having had 2 from the USA.
Because I am a tinkerer when it comes to new bikes. I take my time to dial in the fit. Secondly, I like to do my own bike maintenance and I like to do it quicker. Thirdly, I know I would hate to bleed brakes every time I need to change something in the front. Lastly, I have used discs on a friends bike and since our riding is mostly rolling and dry I don’t see an advantage.
I hope your next response takes this into account and you can offer me a useful suggestion instead of the passive aggressive toned reply earlier. Cheers
A guy at our club has one (with Chorus), and the LBS stocks Basso. I’ve ridden it at their demo day for about 10 minutes (I was most interested in the Palta).
Impressions: Stiff, direct, looks really good, not super light, quite a high/horizontal top tube (which would cause me some minor sizing problems but ymmv), looks expensive-ish at about £4500 for the Chorus model (but then it is handmade in Italy). Has a proprietary seatpost setup (and maybe stem, not sure) which I wouldn’t be wild about (but ironically I ride a TCR!).
Would be a good option if your local terrain is rolling and you were going frame only IMO.
I looked at it pretty hard but the TCR frameset was almost £1000 cheaper.
There was nothing passive aggressive in a statement of fact, don’t get so emotional. The fact is you’re purposefully looking to buy a bike with obsolete technology… if you’re determined to avoid modern technology then a 4 year old bike design is about as modern as you’re gonna get. UCI has accepted disc bikes for four years now so that’s about the last time manufacturers were putting serious thought into rim brake bikes.
I think we’ve had this exchange before, but I’m not sure I’d regard rim brakes as de facto obsolete. Unpopular? Sure. Niche? Becoming so. Resale? Not great. But then, I’m sure we’d have said the same about steel frames in 2010, and look what’s happened since then.
Disc brakes are a better choice for more people more of the time. No doubt. Also, as I think you’ve rightly pointed out elsewhere, many new riders have fitness that significantly outstrips their skills, and for those riders, discs make a ton of sense. They are also what the market has voted for.
But it’s worth considering that most consumers are more influenced by market trends and the cycling media than by their own careful and independent thought about their own needs.
If you are thinking carefully about your own needs, then there is a cohort of riders for whom rim brakes make perfect sense. If you’re fairly light, a pretty confident descender/bike handler, don’t plan on tackling mountainous descents, and don’t plan on selling the bike within a few years, rim brakes are quite probably all you need, and you can take advantage of the lower price, lighter weight, and easier maintenance.
There’s one simple answer here: everyone should pick the gear that suits them and their riding. Pretty straightforward really. No one is making anyone ride rim brakes (or disc brakes, or carbon, or steel, or electronic gears… I could go on), and I long ago ceased to get vexed by other peoples’ equipment choices (assuming they don’t spend 3/4 of the group ride either moaning about them or evangelising).
It’s not a matter of opinion though, people simply aren’t buying rim brake bikes so they’re no longer being updated and are increasingly not being produced. They’re out of date and no longer really produced or used, that’s the literal definition of obsolete. The point holds… if you’re wanting a bike based around tech that’s obsolete, then four year old designs are about the best you’re gonna get.
Except obsolete means ‘no longer produced’, not ‘produced in smaller numbers by fewer manufacturers’…
So apart from the fundamentally incorrect definition, yeah the point holds
“No longer produced or used; out of date”
They are no longer produced by a large and increasing number of manufacturers who represent the majority of road bike production… they are no longer used by the majority of riders… and they are out of date.
So, apart from your fundamental misunderstanding of the definiton, yeah the point does hold.
Yet you presumably accept the demonstrable fact that they are still produced and used?
They were still used by professionals in 2021 (including, for most stages, the winner of the TdF). You’ll see them in good numbers at every club ride (unless you ride in Boulder ). They’re still made by Canyon, Giant, Pinarello, Basso, Trek, Factor, Colnago, Bianchi and others besides …
You cite ‘no longer produced’ and then go on, in the statement that follows, to concede that they are still produced, just by fewer manufacturers and in smaller numbers, which is exactly what I said.
Tell me again how your point stands?
You really struggle with not taking things out of context to suit your confirmation bias don’t you…
I didn’t cite “no longer produced”, I cited the totality of the definition in countering your attempts at ignoring the key component, “out of date”, in a sad effort to avoid the reality that rim brakes are obsolete over some apparent emotional attachment to them.
The fact remains that rim brakes are out of date and increasingly not produced or used, ipso facto they are obsolete. Have a cry about it, write a harshly worded letter to the cycling gods, whatever you gotta do… but the fact remains the same.
An emotional attachment? Nope. Not confirmation bias, either.
You might have noticed above an attempt to explain why different products may be better suited to different individuals and different situations.
But then engaging with nuanced arguments sounds less alpha on the internet, I suppose.
Again with the blathering just to avoid reality… you may face noticed that your “nuance” was just strawman silliness to avoid acknowledging that rim brakes are obsolete… that’s not “alpha” it’s just fact. Sorry that has you feeling some kind of way but that’s where the world is today. Which brings us back to my original point… if rim brakes are your jam then a four year old frame is pretty modern and I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on fresh rim brake frame designs.
I swear, some of y’all have an unreasonable attachment to mechanical shifting and rim brakes and think recognizing that’s out of date tech is a personal attack.
Yawn. Have an ignore for a bit darling.
Weird way to admit you were wrong but ok… you do you
One thing to consider is that I also don’t see what has changed in 4 years apart from cables hidden and integrated everything. That’s not progress at all unless looks matter supreme. So yeah it’s a 4 year old frame but on the other side I see a specialised aethos for example and I don’t see anything different from a performance point of view. And if I really wanted a new frame then Wilier is offering its bikes in rim brakes and so is Pinarello. Nothing about rim brakes therefore suggests 4 years old.
Now also consider how helpful you are in a discussion forum by raising issues which are better addressed in an article comments section. Forums are meant for constructive advice on a specific topic as defined by the OP. Random rants are for the comments section on articles. Next rim brake article and please vent your uninvited frustrations there. This specific topic was for rim brakes only.
So… if you have no qualms with a four year-old frame, whey exactly did you make a post expressing doubts about it being a four year-old frame?
To get an opinion if I am missing something else out there. Through this forum post I realised I missed out on the diamanté which I am now seriously considering in rim.
Glad I am not in a workplace or group ride setting with you. You must be a hoot.